In the world of wellbeing, it’s not uncommon to hear the words: ‘You have to do the work.’

As for me, I am sensitive to a tone implied inside these words that suggests I am not good enough as I am.

What I’m noticing in my own evolution as a human in this day-to-day life experience, is there tends to be a constant subtlety between what I believe to be right and what I believe to be wrong. The space between two opposing forces: what think I want and what I think I don’t want.

I suppose in this instance, it’s the persistent ‘both, and’: I am enough as I am, AND there will only and always be growth. I can flow with the inevitable change that growth asks for and allows space for, or I can push against the discomfort that comes alongside change, numbing and separating me from a new way of relating to and being in the day-to-day life experience that is constant growth.

In the first of two (but really of so many more) podcast listens I’d love to share this week, my recent exposure and resulting obsession with IFS (internal family systems) is an embodiment of ‘you have to do the work’.

Rich Roll has also interviewed Richard Schwartz, I only listened to the beginning of their interview and heard IFS referred to by Rich as Mindfulness Plus.

Mindfulness Plus makes so much sense to me because the IFS practice takes the noticing of feelings and sensations and makes the experience intimate and personal. No ‘bad guys’, no enemies…just parts. If you read my post a healing journey, it was the my overall takeaway.

Andrew Huberman interviews and experiences Dick Schwartz’s IFS in this recent podcast listen on March 3, 2025. Andrew is so cool, Richard is so chill, both are so knowledgable and experienced in academia and medical speak, and both so vulnerable and human.

At 42 minutes remaining, Dick takes you through a session. It’s simple and powerful.

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This next podcast listen is supercharged. Joe Dispenza is supercharged awesomeness. Listening to him talk is like eating all my favorite foods at one sitting without any guilt or negative outcomes.

Several weeks back I published a post titled a healing journey. The first thing I wrote was ‘I believe in healing’. What Joe Dispenza disrupts is the order of two experiences: change and healing. Joe says (and backs with so much science and research study) that when one changes (thoughts, feelings, behaviors) THEN one heals.

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There are many more resources to more IFS, more DOAC – Steven has a previous interview with Joe in 2023, more Joe Dispenza, and more Andrew Huberman. I have linked what I could within this post – just tap their name.

If you’re interested in a Cliff Notes versions of IFS, listen to Andre Duqum interview Gabbie Bernstein on Know Thyself.

If you want one more podcast listen, check out Tim Ferriss‘s interview with Dick Schwartz here.

I have listened to all the above thoroughly at least once, and most twice…even Gabby maybe three times. I listen and relisten to podcasts. It’s difficult to grasp the context to the information with just one listen (for me).